dixiebrowncoat
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You were my sire, man! You were my... Yoda.
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Post by dixiebrowncoat on Jun 14, 2007 11:21:10 GMT -5
Alright, I'll weigh in. I think I have to go with the Cavemen. It's a gut reaction kinda thing, which probably says a lot about why I'd choose Cavemen in the first place. I guess I just kinda see the astronauts with a huge superiority complex going into the scenario underestimating their opponents. And with that thinking I'd like to see them taken down a notch or two.
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berry
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Post by berry on Jul 9, 2007 19:39:07 GMT -5
I actually just saw that episode again. That debate still makes me laugh out loud. Um,I side with the Cavemen.
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WhedonGirl
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Post by WhedonGirl on Aug 2, 2007 9:01:29 GMT -5
I liked what Fred said in the episode, "But the cavemen have fire. That's what they live with in their caves. The astronauts should at least have some sort of weapon."
But, I am beginning to agree that Cavemen win. Without modern technology I think astronauts would be almost helpless. Hand to hand combat would not be enough to overcome the ferocity of a caveman.
That whole episode was completely amazing. Every line had me mezmerized. Even though it is soooo sad, I can still watch it over and over. It's so well written.
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Post by h0stile17 on Aug 2, 2007 21:15:46 GMT -5
I'm sticking with Cavemen. Combat training isn't what it used to be. Sure, they still know a lot more about fighting than you or me, but when do they actually use it? It's all about the guns these days, and I just don't have enough faith in training to believe that it would hold up in a battle against something as savage as your average caveman. I think if they had time to really think about it and plan, maybe they'd have a chance. But in a fight like that, there won't be any extra time. I'm going with Astronauts. Now I highlighted a line in Skitty's post that got my knickers in a twist. We will get to that one 1. Most NASA astronauts are usually active duty military officers serving in the USAF, Navy or Marines. There are mission specialists that are astronauts that were not prior military. A mission commander must be active duty military. 2. Supporting what Brian...those dudes go through intense training beyond their initial military training. 3. Now lets talk about Combat training not being what it used to be and it being all about guns. Not True..no....no.....negative on that. Been There. Done that. I used to teach hand to hand (LINE) when I was in the Marines back in the 1990's When I was in the military I learned weapons proficiency and many styles of hand to hand combat. I did much better at the hand to hand training than I did firing on the range therefore I would tend to disagree as the hand to hand of today is more advanced, more effective and more frequent in the training cycle than it was in years past. I would be glad to give a demonstration at Dragon*Con to anyone who may disagree. ;D Astronauts would win. The cavemen have a pack mentality in which brute force would be effective but the astronauts have cunning and are more inclined to be sneaky and bumrush those stupid cavemen while they sleep. Cavemen would only attack in broad daylight and in a very non surprising manner. Besides...Astronauts are government employees and are automatically eligibel for GEICO insurance where as a caveman has to go to the website and sign up for it. -Wayne
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Post by destructogirl30 on Aug 2, 2007 21:23:08 GMT -5
I say Amazon Warrior Women kicks all their butts!
"respect the cruller....and I have tamed the donut."
YOU WISH!
Melissa
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Post by Skitty on Aug 2, 2007 21:52:45 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, you're not talking about them getting into a fight. You're talking about them being in a combat situation. NOT THE SAME THING. As I've said, if the Astronauts had time to plan, I'm sure they would win. But that is ANOTHER discussion for ANOTHER time. This is a simple "if they got in a fight, who would win" and I've still gotta go with brute force.
or the Amazons. I'm with you on that one Mel.
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Post by h0stile17 on Aug 5, 2007 9:01:41 GMT -5
Cavemen will resort to brute force i.e. using primitive weapons like clubs and rocks to acost their enemy.
I would think that the if the astronauts were wearing their spacesuits that all that extras padding would absorb the majority of the impact.
I also think its important to know the ratio of cavemen to astronauts.
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Post by h0stile17 on Aug 5, 2007 9:11:04 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, you're not talking about them getting into a fight. You're talking about them being in a combat situation. NOT THE SAME THING. As I've said, if the Astronauts had time to plan, I'm sure they would win. But that is ANOTHER discussion for ANOTHER time. This is a simple "if they got in a fight, who would win" and I've still gotta go with brute force. or the Amazons. I'm with you on that one Mel. Combat is fighting...it just takes longer and costs more....(trust me on this one) Astronauts would totally have the upper hand in Combat. That's their specialty. Now if you put an astronaut and a cavement in a cage fight then I would say caveman hands down. If you put the two in a combat situation I would say astronauts hands down. Combat requires a group of people to work together towards a common goal all while working on the variables of each others weaknesses and strengths. Astronauts are all about strategies, ambush tactics, stealth, intelligence. These guys would formulate a game plan and perform reconnaisance missions observing the cavemen and their habits for a long period of time and they would formulate a 4 point attack strategy with a back up plan. It would be very easy for the astronauts to devise a plan to cause the cavemen to incite mutiny against one another by preying on their instincts. Divide and conquer. A cavemans loyalty is to his stomach. They could even trap one every few days and slowly dwindle the numbers down. The Astronauts could set trap after trap for the cavemen. Enough Said. Also we need look into speed vs strength. Buffy beat Caleb because she was faster than him but not stronger. She encountered him time after time and she eventually figured this out. Cavemen became extinct for a reason.....They lacked cunning and judgement of the variables.
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Post by Skitty on Aug 5, 2007 9:59:04 GMT -5
Okay, okay, let's take a moment to remember that this battle would be placing them both on even footing. No one has weapons, and the astronauts don't get to have their space suits on because that would constitute "armor" which I believe falls under the weaponry heading. Okay, continue.
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Post by swtcheri78 on Aug 5, 2007 11:27:47 GMT -5
I've been holding off getting into this discussion, but I figure I may as well jump on in. First, I don't think you can assume the cavemen have brute strength; being brutish doesn't necessarily mean you are strong. They killed their food usually with some type of weapon, and weapons don't count here. Second while astronauts have access to more knowledge, that doesn't really make them more intelligent overall just in a different way. So I think it comes down to the ability to plan(astronauts) verses survival instinct(cavemen). Which means that the winner would most likely be determined by what they were fighting for not how they were fighting.
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Post by Skitty on Aug 5, 2007 15:42:34 GMT -5
That's a good point, but I do have to disagree that the cavement wouldn't necessarily have been stronger. Their bone mass was denser which logically means that their muscle mass was greater if for no other reason than that heavier bones require more muscle t move around. Even without skill, the sheer muscle would be a formidable enemy. Just picture one man facing off against a gorilla. It's a similar concept. I'm sticking with the cavemen.
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Post by h0stile17 on Aug 5, 2007 18:47:01 GMT -5
That's a good point, but I do have to disagree that the cavement wouldn't necessarily have been stronger. Their bone mass was denser which logically means that their muscle mass was greater if for no other reason than that heavier bones require more muscle t move around. Even without skill, the sheer muscle would be a formidable enemy. Just picture one man facing off against a gorilla. It's a similar concept. I'm sticking with the cavemen. Gorillas have weak spots. So do cavemen. Astronauts learn these weak spots during their hand to hand sessions. Plus astronauts have freeze dried bananas in their pockets.
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berry
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Post by berry on Aug 5, 2007 19:11:09 GMT -5
Which the cavemen will enjoy ...once they rip off the astronauts heads and go thru their pockets. ;D
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Post by Skitty on Aug 5, 2007 19:46:36 GMT -5
Astronauts have weak points too. And they're a lot softer and squishier than your average caveman OR gorilla. mmmm bananas.
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Post by h0stile17 on Aug 5, 2007 21:00:59 GMT -5
Which the cavemen will enjoy ...once they rip off the astronauts heads and go thru their pockets. ;D The bananas are in bags that will take the cavemen two more evolutionary cycles to open. Astronauts could also use the bananas as bait and then beat the crap out of the cavemen while they all fight over the bananas. Cunning...Intelligence...teamwork....
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