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Post by h0stile17 on Sept 11, 2008 7:17:06 GMT -5
a lot of astronauts are ex military james said in his whedonverse panel that after acting in a play about buzz aldrin he's now of the opinion that depending on the astronauts in question, they well could win here's the clip of buzz aldrin at 72 decking a moon conspiracy theorist who calls him a liar www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hUThat was my talking point as well. All mission leaders are ex military. Some astronauts are scientists and such but they are referred to as mission specialists more so than astronauts. All of the talking points in favor of muscle mass, bone density, etc. are only partly valid. Every living thing has pressure points and weak spots. Cavemen were not made of stone. They were mortal and they felt pain. In my impression they would use Brute strength and be easy to dodge. I really doubt they were any more hardened than anyone in tip top physical condition. |
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Post by Skitty on Sept 11, 2008 23:36:15 GMT -5
The problem I had with your argument was that you were generalizing our group while specializing your own. If a standard group of astronauts, as in the team that goes up in space, is made up of mostly scientists, then it's hardly fair to just pretend that isn't true because it weakens your argument.
If you get to have all the good astronauts, then the cavemen should get to be represented by a seasoned hunting party. Personal opinion.
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Post by h0stile17 on Sept 12, 2008 11:07:35 GMT -5
The problem I had with your argument was that you were generalizing our group while specializing your own. If a standard group of astronauts, as in the team that goes up in space, is made up of mostly scientists, then it's hardly fair to just pretend that isn't true because it weakens your argument. If you get to have all the good astronauts, then the cavemen should get to be represented by a seasoned hunting party. Personal opinion. Fair enough. Let me run the numbers..... Yep Astronauts still win. |
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Post by Skitty on Sept 12, 2008 12:02:01 GMT -5
Once again I see you retreating to finite statements like that with no actual arguments for why it would be so. Whatever school taught you debate should be shut down for good.
Let ME run the numbers for you. Lets say, five on five? A group of brutal beasts, who's entire purpose in life is to kill to eat, against a group of human beings with consciences and fear responses that are not as effectively channeled as a more primal being. A being that, as stated, has a denser bone mass, thicker, less vulnerable joints, at least twice the muscle mass, and a strong desire to beat into submission that which it does not understand.
Your astronauts are weak by comparison, no matter how much fight training they've had. They will still be elementally at a disadvantage because their bodies simply are not equipped to deal with this confrontation. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You put the best fighter the human race has in a cage with an angry gorilla, the gorilla is still going to win.
And here's a bit of evidence that I hadn't brought up before and probably should have. I find it hard to believe that an astronaut would use biting as a weapon, but our cavemen surely would. And their larger jaw and more prominent canines, very much used to ripping flesh from bodies, would definitely tip the scale in any battle.
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Post by labrynth on Sept 12, 2008 20:31:05 GMT -5
I still cannot believe you guys are debating this....
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Post by swtcheri78 on Sept 13, 2008 13:40:23 GMT -5
I think it goes without saying that this will go down as THE best debate in all the 'verse.
Like our version of the chicken and the egg, can we ever all come to the same cnclusion?
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Post by slayer1982 on Sept 14, 2008 20:36:02 GMT -5
Best debate hands down. And the biting point, very nice Skitty!
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Post by Skitty on Sept 14, 2008 20:41:41 GMT -5
Well that's obvious. The egg came first because the first living organisms on planet earth were eucaryotic cells, meaning a cell with a membrane bound nucleus surrounded by an embryonic like fluid. This was the first version of an egg on planet earth, long before any organisms were complex enough to be considered chickens.
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Post by h0stile17 on Sept 15, 2008 20:52:31 GMT -5
I'll tell you what. Let's put it to a real test. I'll find us an astronaut and you find us a caveman. We'll put them in a wrestling cage and see who is left standing.
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Post by destructogirl30 on Sept 15, 2008 20:59:48 GMT -5
Hey, Skitty you do realize that at this point he's just messing with you. He (Wayne) can be an *ss like that sometimes. Trust me I know!
Melissa
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Post by Skitty on Sept 16, 2008 1:33:50 GMT -5
Since he hasn't made any ACTUAL arguments for quite awhile now, I've already counted this as a victory.
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Post by h0stile17 on Sept 16, 2008 8:53:34 GMT -5
Ok here's an argument. Cardiovascular superiority. You can have all the strength in the world but when your body runs out of breath you end up just being a huge lump of meat with no energy. Cavemen would not have spent time conditioning themselves to have the stamina and endurance that astronauts do. Astronauts are required to have superior lung capacity, endurance and stamina. Now I can tell you this. If Lance Armstrong was put in a cage with a body builder all he would have to do to wear down that body builder is keep him moving and sustain his heart rate long enough and as soon as that body builder bendos ove to put his hands on his knees to catch his breath he's done. Hit the pressure point and good night. Body builders usually do no cardio what so ever and add more muscle mass therefore making their plight worse. Again this is not opinion. This all from the MCMAP and LINE courses that I use to undergo and teach in the Marines. Most Marines are about 5'11" and 175 lbs at most. And most of them could put a 6' 5" 250 lb man down quick. It's all in the training which teaches you to ignore instinct and focus on technique. Without the advanatage of a sneak attack the cavemen don't stand a chace. It was never a real debate...so there's no chance of a real winner. It was all for fun ;D Besides when you spend most of your life being as awesome as I am you don't really need to spend a lot of time fine tuning your debating skills. You start the day off as a winner.  |
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Post by labrynth on Sept 17, 2008 19:03:33 GMT -5
Wow, it's time to drag out the rubber boots now... it's getting awful deep in here....
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Post by h0stile17 on Sept 23, 2008 13:27:15 GMT -5
Wow, it's time to drag out the rubber boots now... it's getting awful deep in here.... I see. Another person that is not used to being around this much awesomeness on a daily basis. |
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Post by labrynth on Sept 23, 2008 19:39:30 GMT -5
Whatever helps you sleep at night Sparky....
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